Comments on: Intimacy with God is at the heart of everything http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/ against.all.odds Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:38:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: hdfihfiosjkoIIII http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-11207 hdfihfiosjkoIIII Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:26:00 +0000 http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-11207 <a href="http://members.lycos.co.uk/userpoint/userpoint/free-mindy-porn-vega-video.html" rel="nofollow">beautiful agony free sample</a> beautiful agony free sample

]]> By: One life. » Blog Archive » God is the ultimate missionary… http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-202 One life. » Blog Archive » God is the ultimate missionary… Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:59:51 +0000 http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-202 [...] Inspired by Sam’s mosaic values discussion, i’ll be posting some missional values i wrote up a while back. I’ll be using trackback’s for the first time and posting in chunk the next few days as Parke suggests. They way they’re written up is not in stone, but the convictions behind them are very foundational to me. Please feel free to critique and comment. [...] […] Inspired by Sam’s mosaic values discussion, i’ll be posting some missional values i wrote up a while back. I’ll be using trackback’s for the first time and posting in chunk the next few days as Parke suggests. They way they’re written up is not in stone, but the convictions behind them are very foundational to me. Please feel free to critique and comment. […]

]]> By: Sam. http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-201 Sam. Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:42:00 +0000 http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-201 Nice to have you back commenting on my blog, Lori! We are sticking with the 5 values. It's been a really useful process though thinking through it all and the combination of everyone's comments here and some emails with Alex and Erwin have been really helpful. The conclusion I have come to is that I don't want to make something that is the essence of each of the values something separate from them. As to the podcast, I need to update the link as we've changed our domain name since I originally set that up. You'll then need to resubscribe (not that I yet know when the first one will be up!) Nice to have you back commenting on my blog, Lori! We are sticking with the 5 values. It’s been a really useful process though thinking through it all and the combination of everyone’s comments here and some emails with Alex and Erwin have been really helpful. The conclusion I have come to is that I don’t want to make something that is the essence of each of the values something separate from them.

As to the podcast, I need to update the link as we’ve changed our domain name since I originally set that up. You’ll then need to resubscribe (not that I yet know when the first one will be up!)

]]> By: drlori http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-199 drlori Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:39:46 +0000 http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-199 I always saw the 5 core values as community values that feed an intimacy. I'm not sure if I would add a 6th, but you could talk about gravity: intimacy that holds all the elements together in positive relationship... Just a crazy thought. SO..I subscribed to your podcast. I eagerly await all your wise words. :) I always saw the 5 core values as community values that feed an intimacy. I’m not sure if I would add a 6th, but you could talk about gravity: intimacy that holds all the elements together in positive relationship…

Just a crazy thought.

SO..I subscribed to your podcast. I eagerly await all your wise words. :)

]]> By: Vic http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-197 Vic Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:45:53 +0000 http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-197 Hi Sam, Forgive me for being a little late in joining this conversation (pressure of work - euch!) but I just wanted to affirm your additional value and the cloud metaphor. God comes in clouds - I'm sure you know all the relevant verses. Entering that 'Cloud of His Presence' must be the most significant moment in all of our lives, and I agree with all who have supported the view that it is out of this intimacy that we are empowered to be the community we are called to be. Yes, it's implicit in the other values, but I think it deserves stating, and I think it should be number 1. God bless Hi Sam,

Forgive me for being a little late in joining this conversation (pressure of work - euch!) but I just wanted to affirm your additional value and the cloud metaphor. God comes in clouds - I’m sure you know all the relevant verses. Entering that ‘Cloud of His Presence’ must be the most significant moment in all of our lives, and I agree with all who have supported the view that it is out of this intimacy that we are empowered to be the community we are called to be. Yes, it’s implicit in the other values, but I think it deserves stating, and I think it should be number 1.

God bless

]]> By: Mixed Moss http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-196 Mixed Moss Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:10:02 +0000 http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-196 More on people interacting with each other here: http://parke.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/12/angels/ How can we implement these core values to be "angels" in each others' lives? Do these values start and end in our church community? What would it look like to really own these values and live them out, not just in small group, but while sitting in the bar watching the game (sorry, in the <i>pub</i> watching the <i>match</i>), while riding the bus on the way to work, while mowing the lawn and stopping to chat across the fence with your neighbor? Presumably a lot of you are Mosaic-ites; anybody have some good stories about how one of these values has affected your interactions with those around you? More on people interacting with each other here: http://parke.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/12/angels/ How can we implement these core values to be “angels” in each others’ lives? Do these values start and end in our church community? What would it look like to really own these values and live them out, not just in small group, but while sitting in the bar watching the game (sorry, in the pub watching the match), while riding the bus on the way to work, while mowing the lawn and stopping to chat across the fence with your neighbor?

Presumably a lot of you are Mosaic-ites; anybody have some good stories about how one of these values has affected your interactions with those around you?

]]> By: Sam. http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-195 Sam. Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:45:24 +0000 http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-195 Some great thoughts, Mel. Thank you. I do think that the values come across much clearer verbally than when they are just written down like they are on this post. When they are just printed words, it is very easy to end up just thinking, "you what?"!! I am much more comfortable conversing about our values in a context of dialogue then giving them out as a list on a piece of paper. I hope that out of that conversation though, people will find the images/straplines useful as a visual reminder/pointer to what we are about as a community and the type of community we want to be. You're right about the best packaged values being pretty meaningless if they aren't being fleshed out by a genuine community of people who have a living and intimate relationship with God - both individually and corporately. Thanks again for you thoughts. Some great thoughts, Mel. Thank you. I do think that the values come across much clearer verbally than when they are just written down like they are on this post. When they are just printed words, it is very easy to end up just thinking, “you what?”!! I am much more comfortable conversing about our values in a context of dialogue then giving them out as a list on a piece of paper. I hope that out of that conversation though, people will find the images/straplines useful as a visual reminder/pointer to what we are about as a community and the type of community we want to be.

You’re right about the best packaged values being pretty meaningless if they aren’t being fleshed out by a genuine community of people who have a living and intimate relationship with God - both individually and corporately.

Thanks again for you thoughts.

]]> By: Sam. http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-194 Sam. Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:28:52 +0000 http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-194 Thanks for stopping by, Mark. I'm not sure that I can really answer your question about how well things are being received here in the UK in terms of what we're looking to do just beause we're so early in the process. In just conversations we've had one-on-one with people though, people are really excited about what we're embarking on, even if not alway quite getting it. Well, the Christians don't always get it...non-Christians seem to get what we're trying to do much easier. Also, Erwin McManus (leader of Mosaic LA) has been over a few times now and has been very well received by church leaders. Thanks for stopping by, Mark. I’m not sure that I can really answer your question about how well things are being received here in the UK in terms of what we’re looking to do just beause we’re so early in the process. In just conversations we’ve had one-on-one with people though, people are really excited about what we’re embarking on, even if not alway quite getting it. Well, the Christians don’t always get it…non-Christians seem to get what we’re trying to do much easier. Also, Erwin McManus (leader of Mosaic LA) has been over a few times now and has been very well received by church leaders.

]]> By: Mixed Moss http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-193 Mixed Moss Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:54:39 +0000 http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-193 This has been an interesting conversation for me because, to be honest, I know almost nothing about Mosaic itself-- I just know a few people who attend it. I grew up in the Cincinnati Vineyard, cleaning peoples' toilets and handing out free Cokes. :-) I like the sound of some of these core values, although the elements seemingly attached to them were very confusing at first; I had to go to the Mosaic website and hunt around before I could even begin to make heads or tails of them. I think that they're good, though, once you understand them; I'm very tuned into sensory stuff and I love nature, so being able to put a fundamental, nature-derived image with a value feels very intuitive to me. It seems to me, though, that regardless of how you package your values, it is the people that will make or break them. Perhaps, Sam, that is what makes intimacy with God so key: either it is there in the people, or it isn't-- you can't fake that stuff forever. If it is there, people will sense that. And, it will have a profound impact on the way people interact with each other. How can the intimate knowlege of who we are in relation to God help but instruct us as to who others are in relation to God, and how they must then be treated? If the intimacy isn't there then it will all just become a game to see who's cooler than who and who's holier than who. Bottom line: Trying to live out <i>any</i> set of values without that intimacy is just an exercise in futility, so the values only come into play once the intimiacy is there-- and if the intimacy is there, I'm pretty sure that the rest of the values would straighten themselves out eventually even if one of them wasn't quite on-target. This has been an interesting conversation for me because, to be honest, I know almost nothing about Mosaic itself– I just know a few people who attend it. I grew up in the Cincinnati Vineyard, cleaning peoples’ toilets and handing out free Cokes. :-)

I like the sound of some of these core values, although the elements seemingly attached to them were very confusing at first; I had to go to the Mosaic website and hunt around before I could even begin to make heads or tails of them. I think that they’re good, though, once you understand them; I’m very tuned into sensory stuff and I love nature, so being able to put a fundamental, nature-derived image with a value feels very intuitive to me.

It seems to me, though, that regardless of how you package your values, it is the people that will make or break them.

Perhaps, Sam, that is what makes intimacy with God so key: either it is there in the people, or it isn’t– you can’t fake that stuff forever. If it is there, people will sense that. And, it will have a profound impact on the way people interact with each other. How can the intimate knowlege of who we are in relation to God help but instruct us as to who others are in relation to God, and how they must then be treated? If the intimacy isn’t there then it will all just become a game to see who’s cooler than who and who’s holier than who.

Bottom line: Trying to live out any set of values without that intimacy is just an exercise in futility, so the values only come into play once the intimiacy is there– and if the intimacy is there, I’m pretty sure that the rest of the values would straighten themselves out eventually even if one of them wasn’t quite on-target.

]]> By: Mark http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-192 Mark Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:10:18 +0000 http://samradford.voxtropolis.com/2006/02/07/intimacy-with-god-is-at-the-heart-of-everything/#comment-192 Hey - just saw your planting in the UK - I'm a brit living in the US - what's the feedback your getting in the uk to all this? (mosaic?) Hey - just saw your planting in the UK - I’m a brit living in the US - what’s the feedback your getting in the uk to all this? (mosaic?)

]]>